Shi'as believe that no Muslim leader has ever worshipped anything else than God. To qualify as a Muslim leader, he would either have been a Muslim before Islam or known that there was only one God worthy of worship before knowing about Islam. In other words, a man designated to protect and guide all Muslims at least must have a pure enough character to have refrained from the grossest sin in Islam.

This is also complemented by the Shi'a belief that none can be an Imam leader , whether prophet Abraham or non-prophet Ali , except from the appointment of God Qur'an It is purity of character that Shi'a address on this issue and not sin, not to be confused with the removal of sin due to accepting Islam. The Shi'as hold against him the fact that he buried alive his own daughter, a typical pagan practice of the time.

Another point they make is about the low moral character of his family, exemplified by his uncle, Umar ibn Nufayl , who committed incest by marrying his own mother. Muslims are judged by not only the way the carry themselves but by the conduct and character of their families. Man is judged for his sin and for the sin of his family, who are responsible for his upbringing. Umar's father, al-Khattab , was a staunch follower of polytheism. Umar was adamant in opposing Muhammad and very prominent in persecuting the Muslims.

Umar's hatred for Islam extended even beyond the death of Muhammad. Umar spread the religion of Islam further and wider than any other single individual in Islamic history, he did it however, for fame and fortune. Other questionable acts are reported as follows: Lubaynah was a slave girl of Umar. She accepted Islam and Umar would beat her mercilessly until he was tired.

He would then say, "I have only stopped beating you because I am tired. One day when Abu Jahl was visiting Umar and he took it upon himself to beat her. Zinnira was beaten so harshly that she lost her eyesight. One day, the Quraish called for somebody to volunteer himself for the assassination Muhammad. Umar volunteered himself for this job, at which everybody exclaimed: "Surely, you can do it, Umar!

Umar said: "I am after finishing Muhammad. Let me settle with you first. Sa'ad announcing his Islam, also took out his sword.

They were about to start a duel when Sa'ad said, "you had better first set your own house in order. Your sister and brother-in-law both have accepted Islam. He became infuriated and gave her a slap which caused her to bleed. However, his sister did not denounce her religion. He went to meet Muhammad. Umar then made his way to the house of al-Arqam. Will you not refrain lest Allah reveals that information about you that He has already revealed about Waleed ibn Mugheera?

Hafsa , the daughter of Umar, was originally married to Khunais ibn Hudhaifa. When he died, Umar sought to find a husband for her. He approached his friend Uthman who said "I am of the opinion that I shall not marry at present," after thinking about the proposal for a few days.

Umar became angry with Uthman and asked Abu Bakr the same thing. Abu Bakr did not give him a reply, causing Umar to become even more angry with him than he was with Uthman. Umar then preceded to Muhammad to discuss the previous two incidents. Muhammad reassured Umar by saying that "Hafsa will marry one better than Uthman will marry one better than Abu Bakr. Furthermore, Muhammad was pressured in to marrying the daughter of Umar the same way Umar pressured Ali to marry his daughter to him.

Hafsa was married to Muhammad in Muhammad's household was not always peaceful as his wives were in two groups. Umar said on one occasion:. Shi'as believe that Umar's behavior towards his daughter is another example of his brute character. They see his fatherly advice to Hafsa in her time of despair as unworthy of any father, and especially of a future supposed protector and guide of the Muslim nation.

Muhammad became ill in the year and his health took a serious turn on a Thursday. He summoned his companions and announced that he wanted to write a will. It is reported that Muhammad asked for writing materials to write a statement that would prevent the Muslim nation from going astray for ever.

The first person to reply was Umar, answering that there is no need for a will, arguing that Muhammad was crazy and that Umar had the Qur'an which was sufficient for him. In another report it is stated that the first person replying, Umar by implication, said that Muhammad was delirious and talking non-sense. This reply caused a great commotion resulting in Muhammad rebuking Umar for calling him ill and sending him and his partisians out of the house. This event is the source of much controversy between the Shi'as and Sunnis; the former claim that Umar wrongly prevented Muhammad from confirming Ali as his chosen successor.

The Sunni view is that Umar was acting out of compassion and love for Muhammad. He sensed that Muhammad was talking from the depths of his death-sickness, and did not want to burden him and argue with him. Muhammad was not known to have written anything in his entire life, and it is the majority view of the Muslims that Muhammad was an ummi, an illiterate man, who knew not how to read or write.

This is the primary defense of Muslims against claims that Muhammad wrote the Qur'an, is that he was not literate. So upon hearing a request from Muhammad to write something, Umar knew that this could not be Muhammad talking rationally, or so goes the Sunni argument.

Ali Asgher Razwy , a 20th century Shi'a Islamic scholar writes:. Nor does he Muhammad say anything of his own desire. Does it give the people the right to kill innocent shias , including women and children on the street through suicide bombing???? Is it not an oppression on her that the only beloved daughter of Prophet SAWA - the leader of women of the world, for whom the Prophet SAWA said : " The one who angered her angered me " demanded her right and was not given to her.

And later on when ALI prevented himself from giving pledge of Allegiance to Abu BAkr , he was dragged from his house and his house was burned by Umar and his comrades. These things are found not in just one or two books but it is found in innumerable Shia and Sunni books. Still you are adamant to believe that all these history and all these writers are liars???

Can I ask you what proof do you against these historians and writers??? Why these researchers have written these thing in their books???

If you do not trust these people then how are you going to get the traditions of Prophet SAWA after years??? Well, I ask you few questions straightforwardly which you have to reply.

There are many more things Now you tell.. Dont you think anything fishy in all this??? I see that devil either from humans or jinn, runs away from Umar.

Tirimzi 2. I saw in a dream that I was given a bowl of milk which I drunk and remaining I gave it to Umar. Tirimzi 3. Tirimzi 4. I saw a dream that I am in the Heaven, there I saw Rameesa my quilt aunt and I heard someone's footstep, I asked: who is this?.

I was answered: it is Bilal and I saw a palace with a handmaid standing in front of it, I asked: whose palace is this?. She said: Umar bin Khattab's.

I wished to see it from inside but, Oh Umar! Hazrat Umar r. Bukhari 5. Tirimzi So stop doing propaganda about Loved ones of our Prophet as it is disobedience of Prophet and leads to the disobedience of Allah Conclusion: anyone blaming the Shahba should himself who is he Blaming such a Noble personalities is Planning of Hell for yourself. Dear Brother from Education Help Desk , You are forced to believe these traditions about Umar because they are found in the most authentic books for sunnis after Quran.

But do you know that Abu Hurayra and others have fabricated many traditions in praise of Abu Bakr , Umar and Uthman and others to elevate their positions???

This was done to keep muslims away from AhlulBayt. I can prove this. Still we see these books narrating so less traditions from Ahlul Bayt AS. This shows that the authors of these books were bias and they did not do justice to the family of Prophet SAWA. Umar and Abu Bakr had stopped people from narrating traditions. Umar had once beaten Abu Hurayrah for narrative excessive and fake traditions.

One very important point which I want to highlight here and all our sunni brothers are requested to ponder over it is :- How could Abu Hurayrah who stayed with Prophet SAWA only for 3 years narrated traditions more than the traditions narrated by all 4 four Caliphs taken together??? Muawiya - who was the arch enemy of Hazrat Ali AS used to curse Ali AS from the pulpit and used to pay handsomely those people who used to fabricate traditions.

Due to all these many fake and fabricated traditions about some of the companions of Prophet SAWA have found place in many of the books. To name a few ; Umar running away in the battle of Uhud. Can u prove any prophet worshipping idols before becoming a prophet??. We dont find any incident in history which prove that Umar was very knowledgeable.

And Umar was not brave because we dont see in history any person killed by Umar in the battlefield. Everywhere we see Ali AS protecting Islam and defending islam, through his sword and through his knowledge. So our conclusion is : All these traditions in praise of Umar and Abu Bakr are fabricated one as these people have not done anything significant for propogating and protecting Islam. R not these historical event by gone Allah is the judge of who was right and who was wrong If there is nothing in history why Quran has narrated the incidents of past prophets??

Why Quran has criticized the wrongdoers of the past??. Why Allah has cursed Satan, Nimrood and Firaun??? By your logic these things are past so they are gone, right!!!!

The reasons for narrating these incidents in majalis and network is so that people should follow the real successor or Prophet SAWA and should avoid following the fake one. Quran says in Surah Faateha, Ayat No. Unless you know who are the people to be followed how are you going to follow them?? And dear, we shia dont require to prove our faith from history and battle ,we can very easily prove it from Quran and traditions. Why are you people so obsessed about Companionship???

Wouldn't you be the companion of Prophet if you were born at that time? Being a Companion didnt prove them to be infallible?? The incident of burning the door is found in innumerable shia and sunni books. So why not accept the fact and curse the wrongdoers. Yes Allah is the best Judge and He will punish the wrongdoers.

But Allah does not like people following the wrong doers so He will also questioned the people for following and loving the wrong doers on the day of Qayamat. This is a humble request to all our sunni brothers. What is the big thing if they were companions?

So why not take our religion from them?? Jo Rasool s. Woh sahi me Islaam ka chahne wala ho hi nahi Sakta yes, Dikhawa zaroor kar sakta hai , chahe woh fir sahaba hi kyu na ho Jin ke liye Khelafat paana Rasool s. Allah hum sab ko hidayat day aur sedhe raste pay chalne ki toufeeq ata farmaye Am not A Sunni or Shia either but what i ve read here is very logical words from shia sect!

So if anyone who has authentic proofs shall narrate plz coz i wanna know what is true n what is false n then i ll decide which side i should choose! Thanks To phr aap un ka faisla galat kaho gay??? Hazoor SAW ka faisla Khuda ka faisla A galat o saktay Bhai ISlam to 4 sahabi karaam k bagair pura e ni ota Jitni Qurbanian In 4ron ki hain To sawal e nai paida ota k wo kisi haqeer c cheez k liye lartay Sahi Study krain Sab Sahaiz r.

You Mr. As far as Mutah is concern, there are so many posts on mutah on this website. Why dont you go and read the posts and then come to any conclusion. Stupid chap, Mutah is not an illegal sex with a stranger woman. It is a temporary marriage with all the conditions of marriage such as Sigha, Mehr etc. Later Umar banned it. The child born out of the Mutah is legitimate. Tell me, are any such conditions exists in Adultery or Prostitution.???

Usman Khalid, Kya aap bata sakte hai kaunse qurbani abu bakr, umar aur usman ne islam k khatir di. Humne to tarikh me har jagah Huzoor ki madad karte hue Ali ko paya.

Shabe hijrat - Rasool k bister per so k Ali ne Huzoor ki jaan bachayi. Uhud me jab sabhi ashaab Huzoor ko akele chodkar bhaag gaye to Ali AS ne unki jaan bachayi. Ali ne Khaibar, badr aur Khandaq me Musalmaano ko fateh dilayi. Ali aur aulad e Ali ne Rasool ke ilm ko phelaya.

Rasool ne Ali ko logon ka maula ghadeer me banaya. Yaha tak k zabardasti Ali se bayat bhi talab ki. Kya se sab ki baad bhi aap maante hai ki abu bakr,umar aur usman ne islam aur rasool k liye kuch kiya??? Mr Abdullah these books you refer are written by hypocrite people like you.

Anonymous, the weapon which the liar used against the people is slandering, which you are using because you are a weak person. Who gave you the certificate to call Shias as Hypocrites???? Are you a truthful person?? It is because of people like you that today muslims are referred as terrorist. Bibi Zainab RA has rightly cursed them till Qayamat.. They are only good at making stories. Does this not show u close relationship Ali shared with Umar.

Huzur saw n farmaya meri ummat ka jo firqa galat hoga usme kabhi Koi wali paida nhi hoga. Or Shia m Aaj tak Koi wali nahi hua h na hoga. He also said, "Turn them out of your houses. Baqi sub History-Writers ki kahanian hain her sal new additions kay sath jaisay text books her sal kahanian ya words change ker laitee hain, kionkeh Tafarqah-Bazi aur Musalmanoon kay dermian Hatered aisay hi Phalai Ja sakti hay, Yahoodi us waqat bhi Tafarqah phalatay thy aur Ajkul bhi..

Quran per tou pura amal ker lain pehlay aur Tufarqay main nah parain. Truth Seeker, Rasool Allah ne jab elaan e Nabuwat kiya tab jin logon ne zabaani ya dil se kalma padh liya wo musalmaan kehlaaye aur Rasool Allah ko dekhne ki bina per Sahabi kehlaye. Rasool Allah ne to Munafiqeen ko bhi apne bazm se nahi nikaala to kya iska matlab ye hua ke Rasool Allah ko munafeqeen ki Saazizoh ka pata nahi tha???!!! Rasool Allah SAWA ne agar kisi aurat se shaadi ki to iske ye matlab nahi hua ki wo aurat maasoom ho gayi!!!

Aap logon ne hadithe ghadeer ki sanad ko ye kehkar thukra diya k Maula ki mayni sirf dost hai jabke aap logon ke paas is baat ka koi proof nahi Ibtedaayi Islam me jitna khoon bahaya gaya khilafat ke mamle ko lekar utna kisi aur mamle me nahi baha Abu baqar r. Zaydis, the oldest branch of the Shia and the largest group amongst the Shia before theSafavid Dynasty in the sixteenth century and currently the second largest group, disagree with the Twelver Shia.

Zaydis believe that on the last hour of Zayd ibn Ali, he was betrayed by the people in Kufa who said to him: "May God have mercy on you! What do you have to say on the matter of Abu Bakr and Umar ibn al-Khattab?

Aap ne jo hadis bayan ki hai wo sahih nahi hai kyonki ye hadith quran aur sunnate rasool ke khilaaf hai. Allah ne nabi bheje. In sabhi nabiyon ne kabhi bhi ek lamhe ke liye bhi bot parasti nahi ki, elaan e nabuwaat se pehle ya baad me.

Hazrat Mohammed Mustafa s. Umar ki zindagi ka ek bahot bada arsa bot parasti me guzra, is liye Umar kabhi nabi ban hi nahi sakte the Aap ne jo hadith bayan ki hai ye bani umayya ke zamana ki gadi gayi taake khilafat e umar aur abu bakr ko jayez karaar diya ja sake aur baad me yahi hadith ne sihah e sittah me jagah bana li. Agar ye hadith wakiyi Rasool S.

Agar ye hadith sahih hai to phir Umar ko baad e rasool s. Abu Bakr khalifa kaise ban gaye. Agar ye hadith sahih hai to phir Abu Bakr ne Umar ko apna jaanasheen kyon muqarrar kiya.

Kyon nahi logon se kaha ke Umar ko khalifa banao kyonki Umar ke baare me ye hadith maujood hai. Agar ye hadith sahi hai to phir Umar ke ye kaul ka kya kare jo sunni kitabo me maujood hai ke " agar Ali na hote to Umar halaak ho jaata" 9.

Ye Hadith Quran ki Aaayaton ki raushni me saabit nahi ki ja sakti. Musalmaan banne se pehle Umar ne daure jehaalat me apne beti ko zinda dafan kiya aur Sharaab bhi pete the Sunni kitabo me ye baat likhi hui hai. In sab baaton se ye saabit hai ke Umar ke paas Nabi banne ki koi qualification maujood nahi thi. Please guys educate yourself. Abubakkar R. A was the companion of hazrat Muhammad S. Abubakkar was ranked top in all sahabas how can you say that things about him??

And omar r. W said "if there was any profit after me it was omer bin khattab" Now leave this topic. Hazrat muhammad S. W know before that hazrat hassan and hussain will martyr. I know every will agree me in this. Then how profit S. W dont have an idea about what abubakkar and omer will do after him??

Why would he say these things about omer?? U people are totally wrong so please dont say anything like that for any sahaba.

But is ka ye matlb ni k hum log un ka katal karien humien un ko educate krna chahiye. Assalam o Alaikum Bhaiyo jb quran mojood hai to kisi insan ki likhi hui kitabon pe yaqeen na kro.. Wo log mojud nhi thy Karbala k waqiey k waqt Or khudara aisi batein na kro sahaba ke bare mein. Umar's followers do the following when they have no answer for authentic hadith and qurana dn cant defend -- Outright abuse and slander, blame on Shias for corrupting their" sahis" book, repetition of hadiths already refuted, declaring shias kafir and will go hell, changing the topic instead of providing rebuttal and authentic evidence in support of Umar and when all fails --they start talking about unity, respect and persuade shias why bring up old things.

Why not admit something is wrong and follow the truth! The accusations that have been levelled against Umar R. A that he broke down the door of Ali R. In reality those who levelled this accusation are disgracing and Ali R. Was Ali R. When Ali R. A for the child that he had lost?! The ones who narrate these types of narrations are in actual fact the enemies of Islam.

They portray the Sahabah R. Can your heart accept such accusations and nonsense? Could the senior Sahabah behaved in such a manner? Were such Sahabah not capable of demolishing great empires such as that of Qaisar and Kisra with scanty ammunitions and means? The claim that Fatima R. It has been mentioned in an authentic book of history, i. Albidayah wan Nihaayah, that during the lifetime of Rasoolullah S. This is why the majority of the historians mentioned only two sons of Fatima R.

The reason why Umar R. A reacted staunchly with those who opposed the Khilaafat after Abubakar R. Rasoolullah S. They replied that the reason was because they were consulted on the issue. Ali R. If I had a pledge then I would have never allowed Abubakar R. A and Uthmaan R. One should ponder that if Ali R.

Had Abubakar R. A oppressed him any way, he would have also mentioned it but he did not mention anything of that sort. Sister Rehana Anwar, The matter of killing of janabe fatema would have been an accusation if it would have been narrated only by shia historians But if go through other posts on this website u would see that this matter is also found in many sunni books than how can u say that we are telling lies.

Secondly why Ali did not fight Umar,the reason is found in many of our posts on this matter. We have alrealdy answer this objection. The situation and environment at the time of imam ali was different than what was at the time of his son Hussain. So the imams acted in a different ways of saveguard islam. You said : Ali did not opposed d khilafat is a wrong notion becoz Imam Ali indeed protested but people did not support him.

In khtubah shiqshiqqiya of Nehjul Balagha,Imam Ali has said about this thing. Sister Rehana Anwar, What force u to believe that all Senior sahabas were very pious people????? Just because of some traditions in their favor in sihah e sitta???? Dont you know sihah sittah was written long after d passing away of Rasool Allah and many weak traditions have also got their place in sihahs??? There are many traditions in sihahs from d people who were involved in d killing of imam Husssain.

Then how can we trust the traditions from sahihs on d basis of which u have develop the belief that sahabas cannot be wrong. Answer one simple question : 1. If all sahabas were right then why Ali as had to fight 3 battles during his khilafat of 4 years???? How can u prove that the cause of death of so many muslims is just due to some mis understanding between senior sahabas???

When it is clearly mentioned in Quran that wives of Prophet should not behave like other women,then why did Aisha came out to fight with Ali in d battle of Jamal.???? Why Muawiya d son of Abu Sufyan challenged d khilafat of ali and fought battle of siffin???

Why Muawiya appointed Yazid,d khalifa of muslim without consulting the sahabas. Why Imam Hussain could gather only an handful to fight the tyrant yazid and why many sahabas and tabein did not support him???? There are so many unanswered questions which supporters of sahabas are unable to answer. U said : Why Ali did not claim blood money from Umar for his killed son. Do you think Ali to behave in such a childish manner.

When he did not fight it was in d interest of Islam and when he fought that was also in d interest of islam. If he had fought with early so callled pious sahabas who usurped his khilafat and killed his wife and unborn son it would have resulted in civil war among muslims and would have endangered islam in those early period of islam when most of the people converted to Islam were new.

I advise u to go through the early history of islam thoroughly to know the truth instead of believing some weak traditions blindly. Allah qaadir e mutlaq hain na??? Allah k Nabi ne sulah hudaibiya me kuffar se sulah ki to kya ham keh sakte hai k Nabi Paak kuffar se darr gaye????

Rasool Allah Haj karne gaye the aur kaafi taadad me musalmaan the phir bhi Rasool Allah ko Kaafiron ne Haj karne nahi diya lekin Rasool Allah ne jung nahi ki. Kaun kehta hai k Maula Ali ne khilafat ke liye ehtejaaj nahi kiya. Tamaam shiya sunni kitabon me maujood hai k Ali as ne Abu bakr ki khilafat ko kabool nahi kiya tha. Magar Ali as ne jung nahi ki kyonki Rasool Allah ki wasiyat thi : " Aye Ali agar tumhe saathi na mile to tum sabr karna aur jihad nahi karna" 6.

Jab logon ne hi Abu Bakr ki khilafat qabool karli to Ali as ne logon ko unke haal per chhod diya bilkul usi tarah jis tarah Haroon as ne Bani Israeliyon ko chhod diya jab wo logon ne Haroon as ko nahi maana aur saamri k behkhane per bacchde ke ibadat karne lage. May all the Muslims live in peace. So after reading the above so called references, it can be concluded or rather evident that, Ali RA should actually dislike Umar RA , but hey..

I am sure you do not. Their names were Abu bakr and Umar.. Hey stupid Mr. Unknown, Who told u that Imam Ali as was impressed with Abu Bakr and that is why he name his sons abu bakr and umar etc. Can u prove this from any single tradition from any shia sunni books. You cant!!! Because nowhere Imam Ali said that he name his sons because he like Umar and abu bakr.

Go and search in search section u can get the reply Abu Bakr,umar and uthman were very common names in those days. Like how mohammed and abdullah are common nowadays. I challenge u to show me any one tradition from Imam Ali on this matter.

It is just your thought that Imam Ali might be very impressed with them,but simple thought without any solid proof has no place in Islam. Its really very amazing thing that whenever we shias quote any sunni reference , instead of checking the facts people come and deny d facts and when we quote from our books shia books they blame us for creating stories and call us liars I just want to ask all my sunni brothers with folded hands to prove me how could all d sunni authors be truthful and how all d shia authors are liars?????

Is it not blind belief and prejudice against shias????? Recently i saw an anti shia site where the writer tried desperately to prove tha Fidak was not d right of Fatima. I ask all those people who are reseaching on the matter of inheritance and fidak to answer some of my questions before reaching d conclusionI am a shia.

Why the hadith about inheritance of prophet was not narrated by anyone other than Abu Bakr.??? Surprisingly why this so called hadith is not known to Fatima??? Matter of inheritance should have been known to family members. Why the testimony of Ali as was not accepted??? Could he speak lie for just a piece of land???? Other disputes that continue to exacerbate the divide include issues of theology, practice and geopolitics. Hadith are the reports of the words and deeds of the prophet and considered an authoritative source of revelation, second only to the Quran.

They provide a biographical sketch of the prophet, context to Quranic verses, and are used by Muslims in the application of Islamic law to daily life.

Shias and Sunnis differ over prayer as well. All Sunni Muslims believe they are required to pray five times a day, but Shias can condense those into three. During the Hajj — the pilgrimage to Mecca, held annually and obligatory for all Muslims once in a lifetime — it may seem that these differences are masked, as both Sunnis and Shias gather in the holy city for rituals that reenact the holiest narratives of their faith.

And yet, with Saudi authorities overseeing the Hajj, there have been tensions with Shia governments such as Iran over claims of discrimination. And when it comes to leadership, the Shia have a more hierarchical structure of political and religious authority invested in formally trained clergy whose religious authority is transnational.

There is no such structure in Sunni Islam. The greatest splits today, however, come down to politics. Although the majority of Sunni and Shia are able to live peacefully together, the current global political landscape has brought polarization and sectarianism to new levels.

Shia-Sunni conflicts are raging in Syria, Iraq, Lebanon and Pakistan and the divide is growing deeper across the Muslim world. Portsmouth Climate Festival — Portsmouth, Portsmouth. Edition: Available editions United Kingdom.